YouTube's Running Legend: Seth DeMoor Shares Training Tips, Injury Stories, and Celebrates His Recent Victory

###### Seth DeMoor: [00:00:00]
The Demora global running family. And I liked, I liked the global side of it because I'm glad I thought of this running is I'm going to say it's like always the most accessible sports because you don't need a swimming pool. You don't need an ice rink. You don't need a tennis racket or attendant. Like you just need two running shoes.
And you go out the door.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:00:25]
Hello and welcome to the race mile podcast. This is episode number 14, I'm Kevin entrepreneur technology and fitness nerd, and the founder of race mob. I'm joined by master motivator, founder of two legit fitness, ho chair of the Taji 100. Our RSC, a certified coach USA track and field certified official incomparable, Bertrand nuisance.
We are beyond excited to welcome Seth James to more to the podcast. Bertrand and I are true fans assess and especially his YouTube channel where he's been blogging daily since 2015, his channel really took off after he started focusing the content around running, and he's built an incredible community.
The DGR community SEF just surpassed a hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube. A feat usually reserved for celebrities or idols. And to see it done in the running space is truly admirable. If you've checked out, assess channel at all, you're going to love this conversation. And if you haven't let me prep you with some insider information and phrases that we reference during the conversation.
Sess channel features a studio, the studio dedicated to running shoes where he gives detailed running reviews. Seth has a wife and three boys, and he has a nickname for his wife. He calls her true love, and she's just started getting into running this summer and plans to run her first five K very soon sets, also known for some bumper sticker phrases, such as butter.
My bread. A reference to the phenomenal cinnamon butter at Texas Roadhouse and to life just being good and hard work paying off during races. He often writes phrases in permanent marker on his wrists to remind him to dig deep. During those hard times, he also likes to repeat technical mantras, like head
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:02:28]
up.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:02:29]
Pump the arms and quick feet, not only is Seth, the dynamic personality and a caring individual. He's also an incredible athlete, even though he just started running road marathons last year and has only completed two of them. He's already a two 23 marathoner. He also holds the F T also known as fastest known time on several trails throughout Colorado.
He's represented the U S in the mountain world running championships, and he was fresh off winning the Pike's peak marathon. When we did this interview, a grueling ascent and descent marathon that. Climbs and descents 7,000 feet a marathon that his dad wants completed as well. And which holds a special place in his heart.
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We've only got a few limited spots available for this kickoff session, extremely busy guy. So we were so thankful to get to spend some time with him. Plus, it's always great meeting up with a fellow university of Colorado Buffalo. I really hope that you enjoy this conversation. We're so excited to welcome Seth, to more to the race mob podcast.
Welcome to the podcast, Seth.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:04:24]
Ah, thank you for having me, Kevin and Bertrand. It's awesome. Awesome to be here and join you guys and share a little bit of my, about my story and gosh, it's just awesome to get to know you guys as well.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:04:36]
Awesome. Well, why don't we cheers? Why don't we get that kickstarted .
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:04:39]
There we go.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:04:40]
And right
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:04:41]
there, there we go. Good old Rocky mountain water out here.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:04:45]
Love it. Normally when we have a podcast guest on, I think Bertrand who's run over 300 races. He normally has a piece of gear. He normally has something to, to commemorate it. And finally, I got one up on him. Oh, see you tee shirt here.
The run Ralphie run shirt.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:05:03]
That's
###### Kevin Chang: [00:05:03]
right.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:05:07]
Well, we'll save the fight song for later.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:05:11]
It's still
###### Kevin Chang: [00:05:12]
right here at the end. Yeah.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:05:16]
Awesome. Yeah, man, a fellow Buffalo. It's good to be a, when did you graduate? I
###### Kevin Chang: [00:05:21]
graduated 2006. So probably right around the same time as you all right?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:05:25]
Yeah, I was a Oh nine. So a little, yeah, we overlapped a little bit. Awesome.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:05:30]
Well, tell us a little bit about your starts, how you got into running.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:05:34]
Yeah. Fun story. And I think a lot of probably runners can relate to it is we runners. Aren't always a, well, we come in all shapes and sizes, but I was a pretty small guy in fifth grade, in sixth grade and I played soccer and I could outrun everybody on the soccer field.
But I was so out probably weighed like 90 pounds when I was, you know, soaking wet out of a swimming pool. So I didn't, I was a small little kid and I couldn't really kick the soccer ball that hard. In fact, I remember doing a corner kick for some reason, the coach chose me to do a corner kick and the ball maybe made it halfway to the goal.
And it was at that point that I said, I am getting rid of the soccer ball and I'm just going to run. And so that's what I joined the seventh grade cross country team. In Buna Vista, Colorado, and the rest is history I've been running ever since. And my dad was a big runner. My mom was a big runner. And so in the blood, it was in the blood.
And I watched my dad train consistently when I was a kid. So that also helped plant the seed for me as well. So the siblings,
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:06:39]
brothers, sisters,
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:06:40]
they're older sister and a younger brother runners as well. You know, my brother is, but my sister is not, she's more of a swimmer and Walker, but yeah, my brother is, and I often say he's faster than me, but it's because he had a good coach and you're, you're looking at him.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:06:59]
I love it. And you walked on at CU, right? For the cross country team?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:07:03]
I did. I did. I walked on, so I was. For the high schoolers out there listening. My 5k PR in high school was 1627, which is a good time, but it's not incredibly fast as far as getting recruited to Ron, especially at a division one school.
And I knew I wanted to go to Boulder for school. Loved Boulder, loved the campus, you know, beautiful place to go to school, but. It's the best, you know, one of, if not the best cross country or in track programs in the nation in the last, let's say 20 years that you got Stanford, you've got Oregon, you've got Oklahoma state Arkansas, but then you've got the university of Colorado.
And so in a legendary coach, Mark Wetmore, who has coached, you know, many Olympians. And so I was not fast enough to be recruited butts. I tried out my freshman year did not make the team. And then I trained solo for a year in Boulder, came back and did the time trial in August and ran about two minutes faster.
And Mark, yeah, Mark Wetmore saw that and said, Hey man. Wow. We think you got a shot here. So he gave me a chance.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:08:10]
And how has that experience, did you guys nationally ranked, I mean, what kind of meats did you guys go to? How'd you guys do in those seasons?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:08:17]
Yeah, I mean, gosh. Oh man. Well, so I was a walk on and, but there was still like 12 guys on the team.
So I wasn't even in the top seven until my junior year. So it's like, I really had to work to get up to that top seven, which is the team that goes to nationals. But let's see, it would have been my sophomore year into, I think it was a second year on my, on the team in 2006. When we were national champions as a team, and I did not race it nationals, but it's a domino.
I like to think of a domino effect where I think I was probably 10th on the team at that point. And you're pushing the guy ahead of you. And so it's like a chain reaction all the way up to the top. So yeah, we were national champs in 2006 and wow. So yeah, cross-country country, man. There's nothing like it.
The team comradery is, you know, second to none.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:09:10]
Set. What was the difference over that one year that you trained? What was it that you switched from a training perspective that gained you that two minutes in time?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:09:21]
The nothing crazy outside of, I increased my volume of training and I was consistent there.
So I went from. Oh man, probably like 60 miles a week to about 80 to 85 miles a week. Um, over the course of that year and then held it at a pretty high level. And it's, um, also I was getting older and just like getting a little stronger. So I think that helped as well. But I think the biggest thing was consistent training at a higher volume.
Not necessarily like speed workouts or that's how Mark Wetmore trains, his athletes is just a higher, you know, pretty high volume and that aerobic development just happens. But it's, it's a game of patience. Absolutely.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:10:05]
Talk about the aerobic development. I know that is a big core piece of training when you go into marathons and, and even longer distance.
So talk to us about what aerobic training means and how you incorporate it in your current training routines.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:10:19]
Oh man. Let's see where to begin with the robot. It's a big one. So you've got your aerobic system and then you've got your anaerobic system and anaerobic for everyone listening is when you start going into oxygen debt where you're running so hard that your body starts to create lactic acid.
And when people are running five K's or 10 K's or whatever it is, and you start to feel that burning sensation in your legs, that's lactic acid building up and your body over time. The more you train. Uh, your body learns to flush out that lactic acid more efficiently. So I've seen a lot of training programs where they jump right into, let's say track workouts, where you're doing, you know, 800 meter repeats on the track without laying that aerobic base first, which is how to define a robotic training.
The easy, I guess, way to say it is longer runs that are slower. And at a, I guess if you're doing heart rate training in that zone, Uh, I don't do heart rate training, but I, in that zone like two and three, roughly right around there, what I always do is keeping your breathing under control, but holding it for longer periods of time.
So Pikes peak, I went out and did a tour 22 mile run every week. Every Monday. It took me about, you know, two hours and 25 minutes roughly for these runs. And it's just that long, steady pace. And it's sometimes gets boring, sometimes gets hard, but it's like, it's it's when you put yourself past that two hour Mark.
Yeah, I'm geeking out a little bit now, but Arthur Lydiard was a big, he was a coach from New Zealand back in the fifties and sixties, and he really. Uh, was a pioneer in this, this type of training, this aerobic training, which Mark Wetmore my coach in college adopted. And so it's that longer, a slightly slower train, meaning to lay that foundation first and.
I tend to lean in that direction a lot and then build on it's like the bigger, the base of the pyramid, the higher the pyramid can be later on in your fitness. So,
###### Kevin Chang: [00:12:30]
you've mentioned before that you're trying to build capillaries or you're trying to build additional blood vessels.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:12:36]
Yeah, that's part of it, especially when you start going past that two hour Mark, which scientifically they have found like right around that two hour, which is where you hit the wall in the marathon. Right? Like a lot of people feel they hit the wall. It's usually, usually it can happen around that two hour Mark when your glycogen levels are being burned through.
And, but yeah, the capillaries that's a, that's getting into that. That's getting into the nitty gritty there. Okay.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:13:01]
So after college you took a little bit of a break,
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:13:05]
is that right?
###### Kevin Chang: [00:13:06]
Yeah. And then how did you find running again? What was it that brought you back?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:13:10]
I mentioned brother earlier. And so he's a very, very good runner.
And he took a break as well after college, but then we, you know, we were both just exploring life and, you know, starting a family and buying a house and like life gets busy. And so you have to put things on pause a little bit. Uh, but eventually he invited me to do this. Big mountain adventure run in Colorado called Nolan's 14, which is a, it's not a race, but it's a, it's a mountain run.
It's just an unofficial MKT, which we can talk about that at some point, but it connects 14 mountains in Colorado that all, all the mountains go over 14,000 feet. Um, and it's called Nolan's 14. And so we trained for that back in 2015. And that was really the spark, uh, to get me back into running was from my brother back in 2015.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:14:08]
Oh wow i didn't realize that your brother got you back into running and those fourteeners are no joke
F Katie for those folks that don't know. And I had to look this up. That means fastest known time. So basically you hold the speed record for any given trail
you're best known for your YouTube channel. We know that it was initially a personal blog and it niche down, but tell us about how you got started in the YouTube channel.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:14:34]
So that was also around 2015, 2016. So who's listening. I have a YouTube channel, just type my name in and you'll find it it's up to more. And it started out as a daily blog and back then, you know, blogging was pretty popular. A lot of people doing it, YouTube was a little different back then, as far as how it worked and how the algorithm worked.
And. Um, I had always, you know, I was starting to rediscover running in. I had a passion for filmmaking and speaking to my dad earlier, in addition to running, he also passed photography onto me. So he's a big photographer. And so that's where I learned the art of. Filmmaking and how to frame a shot and lighting and all these different components that goes into to video production.
Um, and I always had it and I think bought my first video camera when I was in like sixth grade or seventh grade. So I've always, you know, make it home, home movies. And also, and then when I, you know, YouTube was growing and I was watching other YouTubers grow and I realized, wait a minute, People do this for a living, right?
This is kind of, this is kind of amazing, but as you mentioned, like YouTube is a, you know, it's owned by Google. It's a, they it's a business. And what YouTube is trying to do is put the right video in front of the right people at the right time. So that's like their business model. They want peace. They want people to be happy when they go to YouTube.
So they serve. The correct videos to the right people. And that's when I realized, gosh, if I want to do YouTube longterm, I'm probably going to have to find an audience. And that's where the daily vlog, which is very broad. It's a big umbrella. It's basically too broad for YouTube because YouTube doesn't know who to serve the videos up to.
So that's when I decided, okay, we need to focus on running. And pick something that I'm passionate about in order to find the right audience. And that was, um, October, 2018. So almost two years ago. Yeah. And we had less than a thousand subscribers and did end then the rest is history, as they say.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:16:45]
Yeah, it literally is.
Yeah.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:16:46]
And now. A hundreds thousand subscribers, right?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:16:50]
Just on Monday, just on Monday.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:16:52]
That
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:16:52]
is incredible. It is incredible.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:16:55]
Have you picked out a spot for that silver back button?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:17:02]
It's got to go in the shoe Dio, right? I mean, I don't even know, like I've heard about this button thing, but I do, they send it. I have no idea how you get a button, but we'll see if it, if it, if it shows up at my door, I'll, uh, I'll put it in the studio.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:17:18]
That's incredible. That's incredible. And congratulations on that.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:17:22]
Oh, I appreciate it. It's just a lot of, uh, I always say it's consistency patients. If you, if you're passionate about what you're doing, you'll be successful, but it does take some consistency and patience at first.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:17:36]
And you have the tenacity and the consistency, but you also have great support to set.
I mean, your family unit, um, you, you share, I mean, it's like we're there with you as well. The realness and the openness. Um, it just gives the viewers, uh, another layer to relate with you. And other bloggers just aren't showing that level of creativity and realness. So thank you for that and hats off to the misses, right?
Yeah. And, and sharing her, running her running journey as well. Um, so shout out to true love. Go ahead.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:18:06]
Gotcha. Cheers.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:18:08]
Cheers.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:18:10]
Cheers. Amen. She, uh, she's the, the rock, the heart she's been so patient with me getting this thing going and, uh, yeah. So no, it wouldn't exist without you love that is for sure. Um, and now she's on her own running journey.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:18:26]
How, how has her running journey going? I know you share it.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:18:29]
It's good. Yeah. We missed Tuesday because of everything happening with the a hundred thousand. And, but we will get her updates into the blog very soon. She's she has a little bit of a strain in her, uh, in her hip right now. So we're working through that together, but she's loving it.
She just loves getting out there and, um, whether it's a walk or run and that's what I always. Tell new runners is just take it easy. Don't rush it. So, yeah, she's doing well though.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:18:55]
And how are you doing victory? I mean, you've given some very good tips and
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:19:00]
preparing for a marathon,
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:19:02]
both physically and the mental approach.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:19:04]
Yeah.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:19:05]
Being able to find motivation, riding on the risks as well. Um, you know, where to dedicate that pain to. But in post marathon, he didn't see you walking around like Frankenstein. It, it didn't look that way and see
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:19:21]
I'm shocked.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:19:22]
But what do you attribute that to? I mean, yeah, it's, it's good training, but some people will tend to just, I'm not going to work.
I'm going to sit at home and a lay in bed and sit down. You seem to take the opposite approach. You'd like to keep it. You're keeping it moving. I mean, what is your you're saying?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:19:36]
Motion is lotion.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:19:37]
Most motion is lotion breakfast,
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:19:41]
the joints and for the, uh, yeah, I don't know. So I thought my quads were going to be for those that don't know, the Pikes peak marathon is 13 miles up a mountain and then 13 miles down and it's 7,000 feet of vertical gain.
Uh, and then 7,000 feet of vertical loss. And so I thought my quads were going to be completely trashed, but what's the most sore in my legs are my calves. And they're feeling a little better today. In fact, right now I have my slant board. I'm standing on as. Big stretching out the calves. And you mentioned it at the beginning a little bit.
I think you mentioned it maybe, but as the sled that I was using in the gym, you know, pushing that sled, that's a new addition to my training and I'm telling you, I think I need a little more proof in the pudding with some more racing, but I'm telling you, I felt so strong at the top of the mountain. And I think part of it is that sled.
And I don't know if that pushing that sled has. Helped my legs, strength enough that the downhill running off of Pike's peak may you know, I'm not, I'm just not as sore as I thought I would be. So anyway, that's a long answer as far as how I'm feeling, but I'm feeling I'm feeling pretty good. Actually.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:20:57]
How's the diet been post race
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:21:01]
appetite increase.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:21:02]
Give yourself a little bit more flexibility there and it's just sad.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:21:08]
Uh, yeah, we did a trader Joe's a chocolate run on Monday. So we got, we are stocked to the brim with all the dark shock that you, your heart could desire. Got some money snooze. I don't know if you know what snooze is. It's a breakfast, a spot here in Colorado. I think they're out in California. Well, but it's called snooze and Oh my gosh.
Just the best pancakes in the world. So we, uh, we went and got a big stack of pancakes on Monday. Yeah. And
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:21:37]
snooze like as sleep snooze, the food that good, that it will put you so good at it. Put you to a, I think
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:21:42]
it's, I think they're playing on now. You can snooze it, sleep in and they're still open. Okay.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:21:47]
Got it.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:21:50]
So yeah, we are, we're enjoying, uh, enjoying the festivities and I think we're getting pizza tonight. Oh
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:21:56]
yes. Post run, carb loading
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:21:59]
even better. There you go. Any other
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:22:01]
racist live racism on the calendar for you in 2020?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:22:05]
Oh, man. I love that question because that is the focus of tomorrow's blog. So no, no we're going to, we're going to give a say no, no, we'll get, we'll give the insider information right now.
So I am signed up for actually speaking to California, the CIM in December,
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:22:24]
December. Yeah.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:22:25]
For those lists crossed. Yeah, exactly.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:22:27]
Fingers crossed. Yep.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:22:28]
It's the California international marathon. I still have a goal of running a PR in the marathon this year. We'll see. Um, obviously if it's, you know, canceled that's okay.
We'll just pick it up in 2021, but yeah. So what's crazy is Solomon is putting on this trail series, this race in Portugal called the golden trail series over in the A's doors, which is, um, some islands off of Portugal. Yeah,
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:22:56]
my partner's from her. Family's from the eight doors.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:22:59]
Oh, that all. Wow. Yeah, that's awesome.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:23:01]
I didn't know that.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:23:03]
That's so cool. So in order to qualify because of the. COVID-19 there's, there's no qualifying race, but how you qualify is you have to run an F Katie on a specific course that Solomon has chosen. And, uh, there's five locations in the United States that people can do this. And the fastest man and the fastest woman from these five locations will be selected to go to the ASRS in November bullets.
Obviously like right now, they're not really letting it Americans traveled to Europe. So, but I am planning to attempt this MKT and actually in Boulder called the Boulder skyline traverse. And so that's my goal in the next five weeks. Um, and if at all, if all goes, well, if I get the SKT, then if they let me go to Europe, if they, I guess the government or whoever lets me go, then I'll, I'll, I'll head over to the doors.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:23:59]
Oh, that's fantastic.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:24:01]
Wow. That'll be in early November. If it happens. You know, I
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:24:07]
happened to catch a glimpse of you in person earlier this year,
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:24:11]
really
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:24:12]
out of a destination event where many, uh, Olympic athletes would find to qualify for Tokyo. Where would that?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:24:20]
Atlanta, Georgia.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:24:21]
Yeah. You were running with equipment in hand.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:24:24]
That's awesome.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:24:25]
Yeah.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:24:26]
So I don't see me out in the streets.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:24:29]
I did, I did, uh, I was, uh, a fan benefit, but also watching the, uh, American hopefuls, uh, try to grab one of those top three spots, cold David, a great day of running, right.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:24:41]
Oh, amazing day. Tough course. That course, Tom and, and windy. And, uh, but it was a.
We'll talk about some special athletes, man. They were tough, tough athletes that day. And
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:24:53]
I like that dynamics certainly on the men side with a, let's see Jim Walmsley running, just to kind of see how he would, uh, factor into, you know, the, the top 10 potentially. And, um, did you run the marathon the next day?
Or did you get out of town?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:25:09]
You know, I did not. I did get out of town and yeah. But no, it was an amazing event to watch. I think the Atlanta track club put on a great event and to see, you know, Galen, Rupp do his thing, but then to see OBD-II Abdirahman Oh yeah.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:25:25]
40 plus one 43,
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:25:27]
I think so crushing the young guys, so really cool and so much talent
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:25:32]
on, on both sides.
Really and the dynamic with the shoes,
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:25:37]
when you had
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:25:39]
monster athletes from non Nike brands, having the conflict of, am I going to run on those alpha flies or not?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:25:45]
Right.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:25:46]
You know, that was, I just loved the intrigue of that event. I am a running geek and it was fantastic. I was very fortunate to be able to run the next day, ran the Atlanta marathon.
It was
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:25:56]
awesome. You just got
###### Kevin Chang: [00:25:58]
into road marathons, right? So like last year was the first year that you actually did road marathon and crushing it. I mean, I mean, not up to your standards, but like crushing, still travel. That's right. That's right.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:26:12]
Went over to Amsterdam and I wanted to hop on a fast course and.
Yeah. So, no, I, you know, I took that break after college and then, you know, got into ultra running and the mountain running and kind of skipped over the whole marathon distance. And so, so my goal is to qualify for the Olympic trials for, you know, Paris in four years. So. Uh, whenever that has so that, you know, that's still a goal.
So I ran two 23 in Amsterdam. So if I can, but I went out and I, as you know, I went out one Oh six, so I went out way too hot. That was a rookie rookie mistake. Was that the strategy or.
Well, you all know I should grab a shirt, but, uh, there's a new, uh, butter, my bread, um, is a little fun saying that if you watch the blog, you know what it is. And so there was a guy in the race who's from, I think the Netherlands and yes, his last name is butter. And, um, so that's kinda how it all snowballed into this thing where Seth.
Says butter my bread. But, um, I ended up in no man's land in like the first two miles where there was a group behind me. And then there was like five guys ahead of me. And I had to make a decision, like as quick as it, like, do I go with them or do I slow down and stick with it? Because I didn't want to run alone.
So I made the decision to catch up to them and they were running. So I wanted to run like five, 19, five 20 pays. And I think the group behind me was right around like five 24, five, 25 pays, which wasn't too far off. But the guys ahead of me were like five, 10 pounds. And it just was a little too hot for me.
Um, especially for my first marathon. So.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:28:05]
When did the wheels start to like wobbled? Just
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:28:09]
a little bit,
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:28:11]
like little
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:28:12]
way
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:28:12]
we will wobble
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:28:13]
literally literally miles 13, like literally, like it was like halfway and then by like mile 15, the wheels really came off. Actually, well, I shouldn't say really came off, but they, by mile 15, I lost the group.
Um, so I stuck with them to mile 15, but I felt it at mile 13 where I was like, okay, this is, this is a little, little interesting hair. And then it became a little bit of a death March the last mile.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:28:39]
And was it less Seth about, uh, hydration, nutrition, and just more of taxed yourself to the point, maybe lactic acid buildup and you, you know, It's tough to recover from there.
You can always start off too slow. It's tough to start up fast and recover
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:28:55]
lactic acid. Like I feel like the hydration and nutrition was, was okay. I did miss one aid station, um, which didn't help the cause at all, but I could, it was more, I think lactic acid buildup. Yeah. Are
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###### Bertrand Newson: [00:29:27]
Maybe since it was a destination event, you know, time zone and all the travel.
Do you think that might have added to it as well? I mean, sometimes, you know, we don't take that into consideration even when you have people who live on the West coast that are traveling maybe. Running in New York or Boston or Chicago, even if you know, two or three hour prints, but you know, you're making, you're, you're crossing over a significant body of water in another country, multiple times zones away.
How long did you give yourself to a acclimate time zone?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:29:56]
So it's a great question, but, uh, I speak at a YouTube and the blog. So I was, I was going over for Kip Jogi. Oh, so this is
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:30:04]
October. Yeah. This is Chicago marathon weekend.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:30:08]
Well, I, I filmed Kip Jogi in Vienna for the sub two hours when he broke the two hour Mark and Vienna.
And then, so I went over early for that. So I had an entire week to adapt to the time zones. So I went from Vienna then to Amsterdam. So I think, I, I know, yeah, you gotta be real careful with jumping time zones and letting your body adjust to the sleep is different. You know, the food is different.
Everything's different. And so, you know, it's definitely a factor to consider, but it was worth going over to
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:30:40]
try to get, I was giving you an out brother, we're going to blame
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:30:45]
exactly.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:30:46]
You saw that sub two and the
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:30:48]
alphas you like, you know what I can do that. I can do that. I got this. I got no problem. Two, what is it?
Two 42 pays per kilometer. I think it's or it's something crazy. Yeah, just, it was something special to witness that's for sure. It's a fascinating balance between. Trying to find what you love doing. Cause I love, I like what I did last Sunday in Pike's peak. I love mountain running, but I got to say there's something really special about running in a group of people fast in a marathon, whereas in trail running and ultra running, you guys may or may not know, like a lot of times you're kind of out solo.
Like there's, there's people not around you. And so, um, it was really fun to be. With a group of guys in Amsterdam and New York when I ran New York and, and just group up and just like work together. And it's pretty cool. That's
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:31:44]
New York marathon and flog was really cool with the gentleman you were running with for awhile and you eventually dropped him, but it was nice to see that camaraderie.
Have you been in
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:31:51]
Chicago? I haven't done Chicago yet. It was, it was New York.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:31:55]
How has the training different between mountain running and road racing? Do you switch up the training quite a bit or is it pretty much the same?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:32:04]
For Pike's peak. I integrated a little bit more long runs as far as, so instead of going out into the mountains and running, let's say 25 miles, or, you know, like some ultra training type of a, even though the race at Pike's peak was a marathon.
I didn't run past 22 miles in the training block. That was my long run. But the big, big difference is that you have to, if you want to do really well, you have to get into high altitude. You have to train, you know, or if you go over to Europe and you do the trail races in Europe, um, you got to get at least above, I would say 10,000 feet consistently.
If, you know, let your body adapts to that high altitude dude running on. So that's the major difference, but I am a big, big believer in keeping your turnover going. So that's why I do my long runs. The 22 mile long runs down here, down here, even though, you know, there's 5,000 feet so that you can keep that turnover at a pretty good clip.
Cause you don't, even though you're doing big mountain running, your legs can build up some pretty big muscle, which is good, but you want to make sure you can still turn those muscles over and have a quick turnover, a good cadence. You don't want to you don't I, at least personally for me, I don't want my legs to get, I want them to be strong, but I don't want to be so big that I can't turn them over fast for race day.
So that's why I like to do my long runs here in Denver, rather than let's say up in the mountains. Um, so anyway, that's a good question, cadence.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:33:36]
Good point. What was you can may ask and I'm sure you're are, you're a stat geek, like a lot of us, your average cadence for Pike's peak.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:33:46]
Oh, man, I actually haven't even looked that's a guess.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:33:49]
Well, whatever it was, it worked,
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:33:51]
whatever it was. Cause it works. I mean, I usually hover around one 80, but I actually, that is a really good question. I could look right now, but anyway, I haven't even, it's been such a whirlwind of just a celebrating with a family and all that good stuff. And the cadence is a little, you know, cause you're, you're going up,
who knows what it does to your cadence, but yeah. And if you can elaborate
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:34:17]
Seth, for some of our listeners who haven't had fortunate opportunity, follow your blog, just the term, a float don't fight.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:34:27]
So I say, and I probably should say this in road, marathon racing as well. At least in mountain running, it's very tempting to try and attack the mountain is another way to think about it rather than what I like to call floating the mountain.
So that's another way to think about it as being light on your feet. And so when I go to the gym, I do these quick feet exercises where basically. You do quick feeds kind of like you see basketball players do it on, in a basketball gym and you do quick fee, but you just try and touch the ground as light as possible and as quick as possible.
And I apply that to mountain running as well, so that I'm not letting my foot strike kind of collapse into the ground. And I'm trying to spring up the mountain, not fighting the gravity, not fighting the. Loose rocks, but, um, just kinda, almost like dancing, like tap, dancing up the mountain a little bit. And it's, I'm not saying I'm always perfect at it, but I do at least mentally repeat that self, repeat that phrase over and over in the race.
And I did it on Sunday. Just a float, the mountain. Don't fight the mountain. I guess it worked.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:35:43]
You look nimble and fleet of foot on your ascent. And on the, on the downhill, I mean, you were just focus and driven.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:35:52]
No, I mean, I felt way better on the uphill than the downhill and that's something I'm working on is just getting more and more confident for downhill running.
It really is. It's an art form. Like you've really, it's like confidence mentally, and then just being as relaxed as possible. So it's something I'm working on. And how
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:36:12]
was your shoe choice? I know, you know, you've been testing out some various trails shoes and a lot of, uh, not Venus or thread on those shoes.
And it seemed to work for you.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:36:24]
It's a small company out of the UK called innovate. And in 2019, when I did the Pikes peak ascent, I wore some Solomon shoes and I really enjoyed those, but I tell you what. Innovate is based in the Lake district, in the UK where it's very muddy and boggy. And so their grip, the little dogs what's called the lugs on the bottom of the shoes are eight millimeters instead of six millimeters, which Solomon and Hoka.
Have some other shoes that are similar to the innovate shoes, but the love depth is six millimeters. Well, the trail is fairly loose dirt at times it can be pretty loose. So I just knew that. I didn't want to be losing traction at all. So I did these innovate shoes, the innovate X talent, G two tens is what they're called.
And I tell you what, I'm not sponsored by them. And they don't pay me to say that, but I, uh, I love those shoes and again, they worked out for me. Um, now they're pretty aggressive. I wouldn't recommend like a new. I wouldn't recommend a new runner to go home. Go use those shoes could be cross
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:37:36]
trainers. I mean, I think the Colorado Rockies as well,
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:37:42]
running the base pads. Yeah, absolutely.
###### Kevin Chang: [00:37:46]
And you've probably tried on more shoes than, uh, any of the guests that we've had on this show. Talk to us about the studio, the creation of the studio. What went into that and how many shoes do you think you've tried on over the year?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:37:59]
So, this is a big, big question.
I love YouTube and, you know, I've found something I'm passionate about, but as I always say, you gotta pay the bills. So what I learned over time is that, you know, people are go to YouTube, not only to be entertained, but to learn something. And so what I discovered two years ago is that, Oh, Runners are really, really passionate about running shoes, way more than I am even.
And so, um, I decided, you know what, as I was pivoting the YouTube channel to more running content, I realized, Oh, wow, there's a lot of people searching for information about running shoes. So that's when I made the pivot and started testing running shoes. And as the channel continued to grow and grow, get bigger and bigger, you know, Adidas, new balance Saccone, Nike.
Ah, Hoka every, you know, these companies start to notice and then they're like, okay, here we go.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:39:00]
What's happening here. What's happening? Floating shoes. It must be the beer.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:39:04]
It must be
the
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:39:04]
beer must be the beer
I was
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:39:12]
trying to figure. I was trying to figure
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:39:15]
out,
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:39:18]
Oh man. So. So the shoe DL and then, but what's, what's awesome. Is that literally it's my shed. So, okay. So that's where the name S H shed and then I combined it with shoe and then studio. So shoe DEO. That's, it's literally awesome
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:39:37]
trademark that Kevin and I would
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:39:39]
love that we were
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:39:41]
referred to you as he's like, Hey coach, you know,
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:39:44]
deal, dude.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:39:45]
Yes. Yeah. Like a month ago we're talking, I get about two we're both fans of yes. Fantastic.
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:39:51]
That's awesome. I need to make a tee shirt. So that's how it started. And then, you know, about six months ago we did a little renovation, make it late, look a little nicer in there with some green lights and, uh, yeah, so I do running shoe reviews and I don't know, I test out about, I don't know, 10 shoes a month probably is my guess.
So.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:40:13]
And is it the viewer sitting in your shoes or viewer slash brand?
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:40:18]
It's the brands and like you said,
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:40:21]
You know, um, you volunteer so much of your time and give so much free advice, you know, and you have a beautiful family,
###### Seth DeMoor: [00:40:30]
gotta pay those bills. You gotta take care of them. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I, you know, um, Oh my goodness.
And I've got big ideas and goals down the road. Like we do running shoe giveaways for people that can't afford running shoes. We're working on a way to make it more efficient.
###### Bertrand Newson: [00:40:49]
We saw you in, in true love,